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Is A Vegan Ketogenic Diet Healthy? Dr Greger & Dr Barnard

One of the most popular diets at the moment
is the ketogenic diet.
This diet was originally discovered as a useful
treatment for epilepsy, however it’s being
widely used today for weight loss and there
are some clinical trials providing weak evidence
for an anti-tumor effect, particularly for
The ketogenic diet consists of roughly 90
percent of calories from fat, 6 percent from
protein, and 4 percent from carbohydrates.
Carbs are limited to less than 50 grams a
day which basically means no fruit and a strict
cap on vegetables.
A classic keto diet is centered around animal
fat, for example marbled steaks, fish, eggs,
streaky bacon, butter and lard.
The concern with this way of eating is that
people are taking in huge amounts of class
1 and class 2a carcinogens, as defined by
the world health organisation and only taking
in small amounts of antioxidants, polyphenols,
fiber, vitamins, minerals etc as they are
restricting fruits and vegetables.
But about a vegan ketogenic diet?
Would we be able to get all the benefits of
a keto diet without the detrimental effects?
Well the problem is we don’t have enough
long-term evidence on what happens to our
body after ten years of ketosis and whilst
research does suggest keto can help slow the
progression of some cancers, it has been found
to speeds up others.
So vegan or not, is being in a state of ketosis
long term safe for our body?
Well let’s take a listen to Dr Michael Greger
and Dr. Neal Barnard as they share their thoughts
about a vegan ketogenic diet.
Dr Greger’s audio comes from his April 2019
Q and A. The links to the original videos
are in the description below.
[MG] Thoughts on vegan keto?
Ketogenic diets basically encapsulate the
worst possible advice for healthy eating.
So for example the global burden of disease
study the largest study of human risk factors
in human history funded by the Bill and Melinda
Gates foundation, I have a video showing that
the number one dietary risk factor for death
on planet earth is inadequate fruit consumption!
So kills more people than soda and processed
meat, inadequate fruit consumption kills more
people than anything else so that could be
used as, kind of like a B.S detector kind
of like a whiff test for any new diet that
comes along, the first question you ask is,
well if that’s the number one risk factor
for death, does this diet advocate for lots
of fruit?
Because if it doesn’t then immediately it’s
off the list, and so there, the keto flops
on it’s face vegan or not.
Asks, wouldn’t it be fantastic to have a
nutritionally curated whole food plant based
keto diet.
I’m not even sure what that means nutritionally
I don’t think any kind of keto diet would
be a good thing unless in some cases of intractable
pediatric epilepsy, it can so change the brain
chemistry you can actually have some benefits
but certainly not for anyone without certain
rare medical conditions.
It’s been called the 80 billion dollar weight
loss gimmick and that is the rapid water loss.
Right we store carbs as glycogen in our muscles
and they’re complex to water as soon as
that glycogen starts getting depleted we get
that tremendous diuresis of course we have
to get rid of the ketones too and so people
look down at the bathroom scale and for the
first time in their lives they went on this
new diet and one week they lost 5 pounds.
5 pounds!
So then they tell everybody, they tell their
friends they tell their family everybody goes
out and gets the book.
Ok then what happens is as obviously we know
what happens it’s just water weight that
they’re losing and in fact they’re losing
more lean mass.
You know NIH did those beautiful metabolic
ward studies and actually showed that these
extremely high fat low carb diets slow the
loss of body fat.
What’s happening on the scale is the opposite
of what’s happening inside the person but
what do you see you just see the bathroom
scale and so by the time they figure it out
they’ve already told everybody about it
and then of course they blame themselves and
come crawling back to it.
But seeing those pounds come off, even though
it’s not body fat that is what drags people
back over and over and over again!
[NB] Well I think it’s fine to test these
things in research studies and to continue
to do that but as a recommendation for anybody
I actually cared about I would be very nervous
about that really for this reason we have
to remember what is a natural diet for humanity,
just big picture, we are not blubber eaters
for the most part we’re not eating huge
amounts of fat all the great apes eat enormous
amounts of vegetation particularly fruit and
it’s a high carbohydrate diet either simple
sugars in fruit or starchy food that’s what’s
natural to us.
When we take those things out of the diet
then what we’re left with is a huge amount
of fat.
Don’t get me wrong vegetable fats are much
better than animal fats they really are, if
a person tries to do a ketogenic diet with
animal fat in about a third of cases their
cholesterol levels really go up significantly
sometimes they go up through the roof.
If you’re doing a vegan diet that’s’
high in fat and low in carbs that’s less
likely to happen but it’s still possible.
Now luckily when a person does a plant based
diet they lose weight almost no matter which
way they go and any weight loss is supposed
to lower your cholesterol so that normally
does happen however with oily food let’s
say it’s olive oil, the saturated fat of
olive oil is lower than beef and chicken but
it’s not zero.
The numbers are beef is about 50% saturated
fat chicken about 30% olive oil about 14%
but if I’m not adding that olive oil I’m
not adding any of that so it gives me a step
So any way I think almost for anyone who’s
doing a ketogenic diet doesn’t know how
to do this in a vegan way and my good friend
David Jenkins has said well do it Eco Atkins
meaning 100% vegan and I think studying it
in research is an interesting thing to do
but I don’t think we’re at a point of
really feeling comfortable about it yet.

Randall Smitham



  1. Raw Intuition Posted on May 14, 2019 at 1:05 pm

    Great info. Especially love their promotion of fruit 👍

  2. VC Smart Posted on May 14, 2019 at 1:07 pm

    Hope your Plant Based channel will stop being sooooo Vegan. Vegan is NOT Plant Based. The Vegan diet is not safe for many people, imo, and I failed on a WFPB Vegan diet after 1-1/2 years. I think ketosis is a metabolic state that everyone should do with fasting and intermittent fasting every week. We are eating too often with too many meals every day.

  3. Jennifer Hansen Posted on May 14, 2019 at 1:25 pm

    It’s just crazy that people love high fat yet those foods irritate my body so bad! 🤷‍♀️ I’ll eat the whole foods.

  4. coffee and carbs Posted on May 14, 2019 at 1:34 pm

    This is utter nonsense high carb low fat diet three meals a day is the only scientific proven diet to work the rest is theory and made up bro science this channel promotes what ever diet is trending just remember this channel is here to make money first

  5. JodyJohn123 Posted on May 14, 2019 at 1:38 pm

    I have been on a whole food plant based diet for a short time, I am borderline overweight/obese and I have had epilepsy for over 30 years.
    I realize that the keto diet is meant for children, but could the keto diet be a win-win for me.
    My neurologist has allowed me to go on it after I asked about it ( My doctor suggested the Vegan diet first months before to lose weight.).

  6. Kamala Specht Posted on May 14, 2019 at 1:45 pm

    I'm sticking with Dr Greger and Dr Neal Bernard . Thank you Thank you so much.

  7. raffael robert Posted on May 14, 2019 at 1:53 pm

    Exept the firt métabolic part related to a anticarninogenic research pist where cétones are invoveld, thoses déclarations are totaly inepts.

    Loss of weight due to glycogen depletion pass the first Week is faster than lipid restriction diet.
    Futhermore, it is few muscles loses keto diet is strongly anticatabolic .

    Poor incults doctors…

  8. ShellRock Posted on May 14, 2019 at 2:15 pm

    Usual high standard of content!! Thank you.

  9. Sharon's poetry Corner #Enjoy! Posted on May 14, 2019 at 2:15 pm

    Now THIS is a topic I'd like to hear!
    FINALLY, somebody is addressing it! 👋👋👋

  10. GrimSpeaker Posted on May 14, 2019 at 2:41 pm

    Who guidelines is bs. They could have been more specific in what is supposed to be the carcinogenas content in the keto diet. And keto advocates do not even condone bad meats. And this moron says the one dieter cause is too little fruit? WHAT A MORON!
    Nothing so far he has said refutes anything. I hate ideologues that just simply pretend to know shit. Everyone knows it is water weight and there is no proof that there is a loss of lean mass. Quite the opposite has been shown.
    This is a moron who would get a patient that has reversed his diabetes and having it at check, saying it had nothing to do with the diet and a vegan diet must be magicly better. Although several meta analysis show that stroke and CVD is not higher among meateaters. And several documented cases has shown a reversal of plaque buildup.
    Diets need to be personal and not generalized like this whiny b does.

    A cop is a a cop while even sleeping until he does something which is outside his rights. A Doctor kvack that talks shit is just a shittalker at that point. The man also than uses anecdotal evidence rather than scientific when he mentions cases of outcomes as negative, when it says nothing about the conclusion of what could be drawn from the studies main focus; it is just anecdotal at that point, or he will just have to accept cases that who have been on a carnivore diet to Cure cancer, and than suggest the diet cures all cancers! Only a moron would come to such a conclusion!

  11. William Calhoun Posted on May 14, 2019 at 3:15 pm

    I listen to a lot of vegan/pbd videos. They are all preceded by ads for statins or diabetic meds 😂

  12. Gianna Filicia Posted on May 14, 2019 at 3:34 pm

    Thank God for Dr Bernard. There are so many bad apple's out there giving horrible advice like that fraud Dr. Berg who is just a chiropractor. Both of these Dr's here are wonderful! I also like Dr. McDougall.

  13. A H Posted on May 14, 2019 at 4:02 pm

    I enjoy plant based keto/low carb eating, fasting, intermittent fasting and wider window eating. I cycle through them all and do better on fats than carbs. I feel sluggish when my carbs are too high.

  14. _________ Posted on May 14, 2019 at 4:34 pm

    I could listen to that intro all day. High quality honk 🤡

  15. Karen Daacke Posted on May 14, 2019 at 4:41 pm

    Although I agree that a ketogenetic diet is not safe or healthy. I do not agree that you only loose water. Poeople loose serious amounts of fat that way. So if anti keto doctors want to be taken seriously they can,t make such a statement cause some poeple had success.

  16. George White Posted on May 14, 2019 at 5:15 pm

    Nice, hit piece.

  17. fire7side Posted on May 14, 2019 at 6:10 pm

    Dr. Greger oversimplifies. It's a fairly healthy diet. Listen to Dr. Berg sometime. It's main drawback, as far as I'm concerned, is it's expensive and I can't eat the foods I like such as pasta, rice, beans, potatoes, and sourdough bread. It's just modern ideas of eliminating a certain food group to lose weight, whether that's protein, fat, carbs, or whatever. Just suck it up and take in a few less calories. Eat 3 meals a day and eliminate most empty calories like ice cream. It's like all the semi-crazies who think they are sensitive to gluten because they felt better when they eliminated donuts. Just eliminate the donuts and forget the strange idea that a certain food group is bad for you. Sure you can lose weight, but you can also lose it by eating a healthy, balanced meal.

  18. Hakeem Shabazz Posted on May 14, 2019 at 6:12 pm

    Keto might be good for certain cancers, like brain cancer though. Since cancer cells gobble up huge amounts of glucose, it might be doap for cancer.

  19. Rich83 Posted on May 14, 2019 at 6:16 pm

    Right and when you do the vegan diet you have to check a box before you come out of your mom's womb so God can make sure to give your vegan starter kit with syringes of B12, taurine, etc etc. It's natural to poke your ass. Eat meat once in a while is the key not eliminating it. We're all going to die.

  20. Lauren Burger Posted on May 14, 2019 at 6:19 pm

    And the Ad was for a KETO diet… grrr

  21. French blue8 Posted on May 14, 2019 at 6:43 pm

    Great good common sense and science from two of my favorites.
    Thank you once again my London friend for bringing us The voices of reason, rationality and health!!!💪💚🌱👋

  22. Stephani Hunter Posted on May 14, 2019 at 6:53 pm

    Thank you! My 82 year old mother who has Type 2 diabetes and heart disease has been convinced to start a keto diet. Her doctor thinks it's fine. Of course, I am concerned.

  23. Gelbsucht Posted on May 14, 2019 at 7:15 pm

    At the end of the day, you eat what you like eating. I like fruit and spuds and i hate bacon/chicken/milk etc. So i‘m never going to eat that stuff.

  24. Quantum Chang Posted on May 14, 2019 at 8:07 pm

    The ketogenic diet is not only just the most boring fatty diet on Earth, it is also the most unnatural diet that the human species has ever came up with. It just goes against all of our natural instincts for foods. And if you have cancer or wants to prevent cancer, then take your daily dose of papaya leaf tea. In some countries, they even use the freshly cut ones cooked as vegetables. That's a healthy habit.

  25. Dr Grey Posted on May 14, 2019 at 11:00 pm

    Keto is another marketing strategy like Paleo was and its a easy to market because it says you can eat the crap food you love like bacon

  26. FabFour Fever Posted on May 15, 2019 at 1:09 am

    Back before I became vegan, I ate low-carb and got under 100 lbs (I'm 5'2). But my cholesterol shot up over 200. 😲 I think you're better off fasting than doing a keto diet. It's more natural, and you don't raise your cholesterol.

  27. David G. Posted on May 15, 2019 at 1:32 am

    It's all about BALANCE and the Microbiome gut brain axis…and by the way – Bill and Melinda Gates are Frauds – Their only interest is Power Brokering and Nothing Else..

  28. Swiss Lady Driver Posted on May 15, 2019 at 10:39 am

    Nonsense. No one needs to eat fruit. It you want it fine, but you don't need it for health.

  29. Swiss Lady Driver Posted on May 15, 2019 at 10:48 am

    These guys just don't want to let it go. No one is afraid of saturated fat anymore because we know that neither it nor "elevated Cholesterol" are causes of obesity, cardiovascular disease or diabetes.

  30. Marcus Welby Posted on May 15, 2019 at 10:49 am

    You can just fast to get in ketosis. Humans wouldn't have evolved if they didn't eat animal fats.

  31. bradenevans514 Posted on May 15, 2019 at 11:19 am

    Keto is life.

  32. Melissa Lowe Posted on May 15, 2019 at 11:49 am

    What about the pesticide, oxilates, and lectins in plants? Seems like these two are really biased in their views on meat because they push a vegan diet… which is not healthy! No diet has had adequate research because it is impossible to control data without locking up humans to do said research and that is unethical. Plant based diets starve the body of nutrients so yeah you will lose weight, but you will also destroy your body with plant toxins…

  33. Yay Posted on May 15, 2019 at 12:41 pm

    Heart disease is linked to hyperinsulimia and non alcoholic fatty liver, all linked to carbohydrate consumption.

  34. I love idiot vegans Posted on May 15, 2019 at 1:50 pm

    This doctor do not know what he is talking about. 56 pounds in 6 months is water weight? On top of that, I stopped my hbp med and statins. I love losing water weight.

  35. Mike Btrfld Posted on May 15, 2019 at 2:43 pm

    Meanwhile there are people eating dogs.

  36. juan manuel mc Posted on May 15, 2019 at 6:15 pm

    The actual macros for keto are 70-80 fat, 5 carbs and 15-25 protein

  37. Robert bray-ferguson Posted on May 15, 2019 at 6:36 pm

    I like the everything in moderation diet, works well.

  38. Will Posted on May 16, 2019 at 6:37 pm

    Listen your body, observe.. Take a look at Science but First Look at you everytime, Science have no 100 % right.

  39. Fulyraw Kristina Posted on May 16, 2019 at 9:04 pm

    You stinking morons, drop dead

  40. Radnally Posted on May 16, 2019 at 10:20 pm

    Lots of research indicating carbs as a major cause of inflammation. Which is a killer. I chose low carb, but as a vegetarian. My health has been very good. Blood sugars are very low.

  41. Akshit Munjal Posted on May 17, 2019 at 10:43 am

    There is no diet as vegan keto diet because of all vegan sources of protein contain carbs

  42. Scott Gabelman Posted on May 18, 2019 at 1:13 am

    Check out doctor David jockers YouTube video on the vegan keto diet! The body needs fats and oils to synthesize proteins and hormones to repair and build the body. Maybe that's why doctor G looks Like he ages in dog years.

  43. Scott Gabelman Posted on May 18, 2019 at 6:28 pm

    There's no strict cap on vegetables unless their high glycemic In the forties and fifties everybody was in ketosis several times a year cause they ate from the farm and they ate seasonal kind of like our ancestors ! If our ancestors never used Furr for clothing would they be walking around naked in the winter ?

  44. Cammi Eklund Posted on May 19, 2019 at 11:22 am

    The ketogenic diet is not 90 % calories from fat, 6 % from protein and 4 % from carbohydrates! It's about 70-80 % from fat, 20-25 % from protein and 5-10 % from carbohydrates!! It also seems like it's possible to be in ketosis on other macros too. 😊 A ketogenic diet can absolutely involve fruits or any other carb source you like as long as you don't eat more than about 30 grams of carbs/day, and sometimes even up to 50 grams/day.

  45. Manectric7 Posted on May 22, 2019 at 5:57 pm

    Restricting vegetables on a ketogenic diet? Who says that? Small amount of antioxidants? really? So much misinformation on this video. And what vitamins/minerals can I get EXCLUSIVELY from fruit that I cannot get from vegetables? Name them! Otherwise, this is just an excuse to eat sugar. If you were talking about potatoes or rice, I could accept it. But FRUIT? REALLY???

  46. kartik chandra Bhoi Posted on May 27, 2019 at 2:23 pm

    My 73 years old father started vegan his debetis has gone but he felt weakness, vertigo & low BP

  47. Annie A Posted on June 1, 2019 at 7:24 am

    Love the compassionate caring & healing brilliant Doctors🌟🌱Dr. Greger & Dr. Barnard are two of the magnificent & incredible Hero Brilliant Doctors❤️

  48. Mahmoud Badreddine Posted on June 4, 2019 at 2:59 am

    I don't need anyone to tell me that the keto diet is unhealthy. I'll feel sick and groggy and constipated if I eat meat three days in a row. You don't have to have a video about it. Let people try it and they will come off it on their own. It's unsustainable, and expensive.

  49. Mahmoud Badreddine Posted on June 4, 2019 at 3:06 am

    I hate how these doctors are scared of a few calories from olive oil. Just work out for 30 minutes a day and all that olive oil will be gone, and your food will have tasted much better

  50. calikokat100 Posted on June 4, 2019 at 7:34 pm

    oatmeal(steel cut)…and too much fruit too …. spikes my blood sugar…i tested with my meter…so i dunno…low carb vegan is the way to go for me:…especially if you have high blood sugars